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How to Get MLS Access Without a License

unlicensed guySo here’s one undeniable fact for anyone in the real estate biz: Access to the Realtor’s MLS = Power.

MLS of course stands for “Multiple Listing Service”, as in the big, honkin’ database of real estate information Realtors have access to.

And in case you’re wondering, no, I’m not talking about the real estate listings anyone can view at Realtor.com or through the “MLS Search” on most Real Estate Companies’ websites.  Sure, those search portals have the MLS as their source of data – but it’s not THE MLS — the data isn’t nearly as robust or in-depth.

The fact of the matter is, when it comes to doing top-shelf market and/or property research – whether you’re analyzing values, looking for “bleeding edge” listings, reviewing “sold comps” in detail, looking up pendings, etc. etc…  nothing beats the Realtor’s MLS.  The level of real estate data that can be searched, filtered and manipulated is simply unparalleled…

…Which is exactly why access to it is such a sought after thing.  Savvy investors understand this, and it’s a big reason why so many investors get licensed and join the local Realtor Board themselves.  Because…

You Can’t Get MLS Access Without Being a Realtor…Right????

Hmmmmm…let’s think on this one for a moment.  Well that’s the word on the street, isn’t it?  That only Realtors – that is, licensed real estate agents who are also active, dues paying members of the local Board of Realtors – can get access.

But would it surprise you to know that it’s actually fairly common for non-licensed investors to find ways to gain direct access to the MLS?  Sure, it can take a little creativity and some gumption, but we have our ways.

To this point, here’s an article by fellow blogger and KISS Flipper Kelly, originally published on her blog Kelly Flippin Cali.  I thought it was so good, I asked her if I could reprint it here for you guys.  Enjoy…

kelly flippin cali!How to Get MLS Access Without a License

So, excuse the non-perfect punctuation. Sometimes I just get typing and forget things like punctuation and capitalization. Just don’t red pen me.  I am not like JP, I don’t write perfect copy. :)

I think first off, you have to have confidence, assertiveness and sincerity at the same time because confidence and assertiveness can sometimes look a lot like arrogance. Without the confidence you look wishy washy and needy. You have to know up front what you are offering the Agent in return for this precious MLS access. I like having my own unlimited access and paying for it, than using someone else’s with limited access.

It is so simple! I had 2 different approaches. It takes some work, but you can do it! If I can do it, you can do it!

The Craigslist Approach:

The Craigslist ad was really Craig Fuhr’s idea that I gleaned off of the last call with JP from REItips.com. He was targeting Indiana fresh.

My ads, 2 of them, placed in Real Estate and Real Estate Services…

$1 RE Agent Wanted
California Cash investor working in ‘insert city here’ with single family homes seeks investor friendly agent to work with. Please call me now.
Call XXX XXX XXXX

My Other Approach:

First, you call Realtors from Keller Williams (because they are the most investor friendly.) Explain your strategy and tell them you value their time and would like to do your own homework upfront which takes about 40 to 80 hours. (The majority of my responses were something like, “I don’t have a problem doing the homework and sending it to you.”)

So then ask them for a list of all of the ‘solds’ in the last 60 days for the county, or the biggest area of the town or city of research. From there identify the hotbeds or areas of the most activity.

Meanwhile, on your own, without telling the Agent, contact the Association of Realtors or whoever controls the MLS…

  • Ask to speak to the commercial department or the administrator for the MLS.   Tell them that you have been working with (insert agent’s name here) and you both talked about obtaining MLS access as an unlicensed assistant.
  • Ask for an email of the form for him to sign to begin or if it is located online.
  • Ask what the log-on requirements are. Is it just username and password or little key fob deal that changes numbers every 60 seconds like California?
  • Ask what the fees are and how they are billed, i.e., quarterly, yearly, through the broker or can they be made online through the MLS website via your credit card.
  • Ask them to email you the rules as well.
  • If you have the keyfob thing, you need to go into the MLS office and show your ID and they hand you and only you the keyfob.
  • Ask who to contact when returning the information, if it is email then ask them to include phone and fax.  Now you have the MLS contact person information.

After you do your homework using the list of solds, speak to the agent about your findings. (I have identified _____ zipcode as an area I would like to pursue, about what price are your clean REOs in that area?) Then state that there is another at least 60 hours of similar research but you need to use the map function and other things that would just kill trees if they printed it out for you and YOU would rather spend the time on the research and have them spend the time on submitting offers and listing your properties.

Then explain that you have spoken to “insert MLS administrator here” and you have the form for your own unlicensed assistant access and it would save you both so much time once you get that started.

BE ASSERTIVE. Don’t say, “if I had my own access” say, “once I get this access.”. Tell them, “I need your signature and I am good to go. It can be revoked at any time, so if for any reason you are not comfortable with this in the future, you can cancel it.”  There will be no charge to the Agent or Broker. The Broker might have to sign on the form also.

Once you have your access, go buy either a $20.00 Jamba Juice gift card or a Starbucks gift card and a Silver sharpie pen. Write on the gift card with the silver sharpie pen, Thanks SO much ‘agent’s name’ !! then your name, so the 3 or 4 times they use it, they see your name and smile. Go to their office and have receptionist place in their in box or mail it to the agent.

I think for me, before I had a solid strategy, it was very difficult to build rapport. Now after KISS Flipping and speaking with Bob Norton face to face, I totally know my strategies inside and out and have total confidence!! Without a doubt!! In the course are the steps to take to find private money AND instantly find buyers. I’m not an affiliate, I should be, but if you could swing it, you should, it’s the best money I have ever spent!

GO GET ‘EM!!  Let me know how it turns out!

I’m on my way to get an alignment before my trip next week and to sling mud on 4 more old listings.

Chyzle! (translation= see ya)

Kelly

Thanks to Kelly for spelling it all out so well!  And of course I welcome anyone else’s thoughts as well…please comment below!

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  • Steve

    LOL OMG!
    This has got to be your most controversial post ever JP… And the most sadest…

    I love ya man, but this should give you an example of the ego’s influence in most realtors pursona…

    I don’t even want to work with them, which is why I’m getting my licence… lol

  • Steve

    LOL OMG!
    This has got to be your most controversial post ever JP… And the most sadest…

    I love ya man, but this should give you an example of the ego’s influence in most realtors pursona…

    I don’t even want to work with them, which is why I’m getting my licence… lol

  • Hilda

    Thanks JP I found it very usefull. As investors we need to build good teams and resources so that we can make good buying decisions. or else we are going to be stuck with bad properties and negative cash flow. Realtors and Investors can work together if realtors understood the investing end of the business. there are plenty of homeowners and banks that need our help…we should put our energies there instead.

  • Hilda

    Thanks JP I found it very usefull. As investors we need to build good teams and resources so that we can make good buying decisions. or else we are going to be stuck with bad properties and negative cash flow. Realtors and Investors can work together if realtors understood the investing end of the business. there are plenty of homeowners and banks that need our help…we should put our energies there instead.

  • Shawn

    Great comments on this article – I am a newbie to the REI tips site and real estate investing. I really like what I have seen so far on this site.

    I have been able to develop a really good relationship with the realtor that helped me sell my personal residence and then buy a new house a few years ago. She has a system similar to what Nancy mentioned above, where I have a personalized website that I can set parameters for investment properties (price range, location, etc.) Whenever a new property comes on the MLS that fits my parameters I receive an email. The site also shows if listings are contingent or pending.

    My realtor also has sent me a detailed comp report that I use to track closed properties in my area. I can refer back to the report whenever I want and it updates new closed properties so I am not always bugging her for a new list.

    So I basically have all the info I need for free and have developed a really good relationship with my realtor. Just something to keep in mind for those trying to get MLS access.

    Shawn

  • Shawn

    Great comments on this article – I am a newbie to the REI tips site and real estate investing. I really like what I have seen so far on this site.

    I have been able to develop a really good relationship with the realtor that helped me sell my personal residence and then buy a new house a few years ago. She has a system similar to what Nancy mentioned above, where I have a personalized website that I can set parameters for investment properties (price range, location, etc.) Whenever a new property comes on the MLS that fits my parameters I receive an email. The site also shows if listings are contingent or pending.

    My realtor also has sent me a detailed comp report that I use to track closed properties in my area. I can refer back to the report whenever I want and it updates new closed properties so I am not always bugging her for a new list.

    So I basically have all the info I need for free and have developed a really good relationship with my realtor. Just something to keep in mind for those trying to get MLS access.

    Shawn

  • http://www.tomtarrant.com/ Tom Tarrant

    Any serious investor must have MLS. Second hand info through commission based Realtors wont due when your money is on the line. This is an absolute. Great tips here.

  • http://www.tomtarrant.com Tom Tarrant

    Any serious investor must have MLS. Second hand info through commission based Realtors wont due when your money is on the line. This is an absolute. Great tips here.

  • Craig the Realtor

    Give clients, or investors a ListingBook account instead. All legal and no issues to worry about, but always get a Buyers Agency Agreement before providing access!!!!!!!! This way they can’t abuse you by searching for property and negotiating with the listing agent.
    Protect yourself! ALWAYS ask for an Buyers Agent agreement. Sellers sign listing agreements, why don’t buyers sign agency agreements.
    Makes total sense!

  • Craig the Realtor

    Give clients, or investors a ListingBook account instead. All legal and no issues to worry about, but always get a Buyers Agency Agreement before providing access!!!!!!!! This way they can’t abuse you by searching for property and negotiating with the listing agent.
    Protect yourself! ALWAYS ask for an Buyers Agent agreement. Sellers sign listing agreements, why don’t buyers sign agency agreements.
    Makes total sense!

  • Justin

    Ethics and security aside, MLS members pay quite a bit of money for this info. My MLS fees are almost $500 per year plus another 135 per year to lease a Supra Key. I don’t know the admin costs to the MLS, but collecting and maintaining the data isn’t free. If I have to pay for it why should I give it away to anyone? Besides there is very little data on the MLS that’s not available in public records or on some other website

  • Justin

    Ethics and security aside, MLS members pay quite a bit of money for this info. My MLS fees are almost $500 per year plus another 135 per year to lease a Supra Key. I don’t know the admin costs to the MLS, but collecting and maintaining the data isn’t free. If I have to pay for it why should I give it away to anyone? Besides there is very little data on the MLS that’s not available in public records or on some other website

  • bill

    Hey Leslie, ive read your replies, but can’t locate where you left your MLS password. Please repost again! Thanks again and free coffee is on the way my friend.

  • bill

    Hey Leslie, ive read your replies, but can’t locate where you left your MLS password. Please repost again! Thanks again and free coffee is on the way my friend.

  • Leslie

    Ill watch out for my coffee.. thanks, dont remember giving out MY mLS password letely, sorry!!! :)

  • Leslie

    Ill watch out for my coffee.. thanks, dont remember giving out MY mLS password letely, sorry!!! :)

  • Stevie Ray

    I can see why you might think what you posted, but I can think of a number of reasons I wouldn't give it out. One is liability to sellers. I have no control over what other agents post in MLS. Some post access codes, combinations, etc. If I give my info out to someone who is not a member, not only have I violated the terms of the contract I voluntarily agreed to, but I may have put a seller at risk. This may come as a shock to some of you, but the percentage of buyers in the marketplace with no integrity is roughly the same as the number of Realtors in the marketplace with no integrity. Just saying…..

  • Seth

    I am so sick of your realtors complaining about how this is dishonest!
    You are the most dishonest breed of people!
    I willl generalize because I have worked with way too many of you to know that all you care about is money, not your client, not providing a service, but to make sure things go fast and your get paid.

    The article gives us, investoers and regular home buyers, with advice on how to access a stupid list that has been monopolized by the Realtor industry!!

    I guess you are all afraid that if that wasn't the case, that if everyone had access to it, then you'd be without a job.

  • Mike

    Seth, You are so right.
    I been workign as an investor for approx 11 years, before that i worked selling software to car dealers.
    Use car salesman have the reputation of been the worst people on the retail business, Till you get to deal with realtors..
    Unscrupulous, Liars, cheats, scumbags.
    They will cheat the seller ,they will cheat the buyers, they will cheat other fellow realtors…
    God Bless America.
    Mike

  • http://REItips.com/ jp moses

    Guys, I just have to chime in and say…as someone who's walked BOTH sides of this…

    There are scumbags and there are honest folks on both sides.

    We all have our prejudices based on where we're coming from…but I'm gonna tell you right now, you can't pain all Realtors with one brush just like we tell them not to paint all investors with one brush. Realtors like to think of all investors as selfish, greedy, do-anything-to-make-your-deal-work type of folks…and we know those of us like that are in the vast minority…they just happen to get a lot of press and make the rest of us look bad a lot of the time. Same goes for Realtors.

    Thanks for commenting…

    …jp

  • Realtor

    I am a Realtor whom just had an Investor pull this crap on me. Shameful. Waste of Time. Lack of Integrity. I will not be a part of this. I work hard to conduct business with the Upmost Integrity, and to have an Investor ask me for this information really angered me. Not only is it a violation of our MLS Rules (and yes I do see that there are obviously loopholes you are recommending), I was offered to be paid “on the side” for access. Disgusting!

  • Dcmartin

    Dishonest breed.  Man you really need to get checked out.  Realtor live by a code of ethics and if they don’t live up to those standards anyone can bring them to a hearing.  The strange part is we are basically considered guilty until we prove our innocence.  Yes is there bad Realtors in the world , of course.  There is bad apples in any barrel, but the overwhelming majority are upright, honest, and very truthful.   Also monopolized by the Realtor Industry.  We created the MLS, we sell the homes in it, we pay for its upkeep, and yes we protect it’s integrity.  The MLS is a small part of what we do.  The average home owner does not have the necessary tools or time to fully Market a property.  I am sorry for whom ever you have run into, but two wrongs don’t make a right.  Examine yourself and see if you think you are doing the right thing.  As far as Keller Williams Agents working with Investors, yes, it is true.  We are a trusting bunch because we trust each other and we have to live up to another code.  A more stringent one in our WI4C2TS.  God bless you in your success as an investor, but examine if you truly believe in what you are doing.

  • Matt

    There is no reason why I should have to access and pay a third party (realtor) just to view the most recent listings and up to date data. Doing homework on ones own time is part of being a savvy consumer. With any other product you are able to obtain information and present to a meeting prepared. Such is not the case with real estate. Mls listings should be available to public discretion.

  • Kauaigrls

    How the heck can the MLS block a licensed real estate agent from services if they aren’t members of their association or country club such as the NAR ? This is crap! This is a strongarm tactic to get us to join their crappy little club and pay them dues, for what? Their ethics? I already have ethics which I will write up on a sheet of paper and get properly notarized…